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>> the secretary of defense of the united states of america, lloyd jay austin the third, kept tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. >> tonight, president biden in
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battleground, michigan, his efforts to shore up the autoworker roads. plus, donald trump's cash crunch as he faces mounting legal bills. and the historic court case that could have major impacts on school gun safety. then, the hidden crisis in our education system, kids skipping school, is statistic that has doubled since the pandemic. the 11th hour gets underway on this thursday night. good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle, live from msnbc headquarters, right here in new york city. the president, joe biden, is focusing on a crucial swing state as he gears up to take on likely challenger, donald trump. -- today, in michigan, which could be one of the biggest battlegrounds on his path to reelection. now, he has won the state in 2020 by just 154,000 votes. as nbc's dave guterres reports,
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union members there will help him win the white house. >> just days after clinching a coveted endorsement from the united auto workers, president biden is back in michigan tonight. >> we now have, in large part because of you an organized labor, the strongest economy in the whole world! >> carpentry union worker, tracey, credits biden for bringing infrastructure jobs here. >> joe biden has kept us working, and he is labor friendly, that is all i can ask for. >> tonight, warning signs for the biden campaign, including this new poll showing it potential head to head matchup here with gop front-runner, donald trump. the auto worker from 20 years. >> i truly believe that trump does want what is best for the american worker. >> the former president is trying to peel off one of the blue collar voters leading with leadership on yesterday.
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another challenge, michigan's huge -- in gaza. >> i think he's finding a genocide. >> reporter: the president said he understood the pain and passion, but that is not enough for lori, the detroit suburbs, how disappointed are you with the biden administration? >> i am hurt. i'm so hurt that i'm feeling betrayal. >> reporter: she voted for mr. biden in 2020, but now -- >> there is a widespread, underground campaign of arabs and muslims where we cannot morally support president biden. >> so it's not president biden that you will vote for, but former president trump? >> no. >> who would you vote for? >> i would write in, on the ballot, a cease-fire. free palestine. >> even though that could potentially give the election to former president trump? >> if things don't change, then i have no choice. >> even as biden tries to
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navigate that anger over his middle east policy his campaign is also trying to get voters to focus on our strong and growing economy. and, today, one former trump economic adviser admitted that his predictions of a crash were way off. >> i was wrong about the slowdown in the recession. so was the entire forecasting. >> everyone was wrong. >> meanwhile, campaign finance record filed on wednesday should joe biden with $46 million in cash to donald trump, 33 million. lawyers are expensive, we are learning that trump's legal battles are costing him a ton. the new york times says that $50 million in fund raising went to pay trump's lawyers on unrelated legal feeds. the next big contest for trump will be down in south carolina where their primary is on february 24th. it pulls just as trump leads
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nikki haley 58 to 32%. but she says that she does not have to defeat trump in this next primary. >> i don't think we have to win, we have to continue to be competitive, we just have to continue to show that we are strong. he can't win independents, he can't win suburban women, and there is a lot of other republicans that he's not getting. >> sounds like she's just looking to stay alive. as for trump himself, the washington post reports that march 4th, the federal election interference trial has now been -- that means that the new york hush money case might be the first of its criminal trial. the votes also say that security preparations are underway for the election trial, including plans to surround the courthouse with metal fencing. the >> courthouse has been the center, it is right down the street from the capitol, it is surrounded by other buildings. u.s. marshals are responsible for courthouse to carry. they are already thinking about
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efforts to keep people safe. they have a hard job to keep everyone safe while providing space for people to exercise their rights. >> we will get smarter with the help of our lead off panel tonight. peter baker is here, chief white house correspondent from the new york times. and the co-host of the new msnbc weekend morning show, the weekend, also the former chief spokesperson for vice president harris. amanda carpenter joins us, writer and editor from protect him a chrissy. we turn to you first. president biden recently changed his campaign leadership, and now we are seeing a whole lot more on the trail, especially in those battleground states that count. has his campaign done a strategic shift or is it now in 2024 and it is game on? >> we are in 2024 and it is game on, obviously. he's been in pennsylvania, michigan, south carolina repeatedly, that is of course the site of the first democratic primary. not that he has too much to
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worry about but he wants to show he is paying attention to that. then, what you are seeing is more of these pictures that you are showing now. they want to get him from outside, behind the podium, but it may not play, they think, to a strong campaign. that biden has historically been a retail politician with a real eq, with voters and the opp is better off if he was mingling in groups like you are showing him here today in michigan. so there is a lot more of that in the weeks to come. the podium speech will still be important, as we try to reconnect with voting public in this election year. >> amanda, i am so glad that you are here. i need this explained. the american rescue plan, the last of the covid money designated 36 billion dollars to save pensions of 350,000 union workers and retirees which is a huge effort and
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major success on the presidents part to physically for union workers. why does he have to work so hard to get their support? >> i don't think that voters typically want to give politicians credit for delivering things that they are owed. you know, it is an achievement, biden should take credit. but that is kind of like saying, well, i was supposed to get that. so why should i have to give you extra credit for delivering what was already owed to me? listen, what biden is dealing with right now it's traditional issues that a president deals with. economy, securing the base, and that is why he is in michigan right now. he is tending to this stuff early, when it comes to the general election time he can reach out and build a coalition that he needs to win. what i think that people don't give credit for is that donald trump throws a lot of crazy
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into the mix and it really hasn't worked against joe biden. people are always asking how do you win against trump? i don't think that donald trump really knows how to run against joe biden. i've often tried to look and see could you quantify the amount of -- like what has that added up to. and i haven't seen that quantified yet but if you want to get to quantify the cost per hour, and figure it out in terms of polling in what it led to in the midterms, i think it has come up really, really short. >> that is a really good point. here is a hard, one michigan has a big arab american community. they are not happy with how president biden is handling the situation in gaza. add to that you have certain young voters who feel the same way, and we just saw that segment with gabe gutierrez. some are even saying that they are unwilling to vote for joe
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biden, they're willing to write in a cease-fire, and they do not care if trump wins. what does joe biden do about that? >> i think that the president has to do some of what, you heard peter baker detailing what some of the campaign officials have said. you heard from the president, he was interrupted in south carolina. but protesters who were calling for a cease-fire before the protesters were removed, the president responded directly to them with empathy, and a explanation of what he had to do. they had to stay quiet diplomacy, and this is why joe biden believes -- and how he deals with congress. that's how he has dealt with prime minister netanyahu. and a number that the president needs to have a reelection
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campaign, i don't think that the diplomacy is working on them. they need to get a bit louder with some of the things you were saying in private. so the campaign, the president himself, the biden president, they have to make sure that voters know that they hear them. that they understand what the voters are saying, and that there's stuff being made for people solutions. this is very similar to the black lives matter activist and protest. there is a number of people who said that's going to blow over by the time summer comes in the general election. that won't be an issue. and i think to give that same council a thought for this particular issue, people can't even point to israel on a map and you have to be responsive to the voters well telling them what you've done and what do you plan to do and coupling it all with these other things because the biden
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administration has real wins for the american people. they have to talk about those as well. it is still early and we are having these exact same conversations. i think it would be a call for many democrats to be like pants on fire. not right now, but they would put their hand down and do the work. but do not ignore these voters. these are not college students exclusively. you saw the clip of this woman, you are talking about millennials, 43 years old, so you have to be responsible to this issue. >> but amanda, do you think that the voting bloc understands what a trump presidency would be? because if they don't like how president biden's handling gaza, they will hate what trump does. >> this is why we have to get to the argument of what the general election will be and why they think that biden is smart of taking care of this early. because i think that the biggest enemy for biden in this election is fatigue.
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you have an electorate that maybe doesn't like the choices, a lot of people are tired of trump, you have to remember that this is the third straight election where donald trump has been on the ballot. we have been dealing with this for almost ten years. so biden really has to make an argument that goes bigger than republican versus democrat, and talk to the american people about how do we hold people, the powerful, accountable. this is something i think about a lot. because i'm afraid people will tune out. i'm afraid that people will look at these court things that are just winding in taking forever to go through the system, and say you know? i don't understand. it it doesn't matter. joe biden has to articulate why it does matter and say even if we don't know what the courts are going to decide but do you think that this kind of behavior is acceptable? is this what we aspire to whether you are a republican, democrat, whatever, to be as
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americans? i hope that is where he can take this discussion, you know, in the general election on that broader level, because we've got a break out of the system. and i am crossing -- maybe this is the election. >> amanda, let's talk about south carolina, because trump is way ahead. nikki haley is saying she does not need to win the state, and i'm not going to say he's hemorrhaging money on legal fees, but holy cow, he's spending a lot of his donor dollars there. is their game plan to try to out-fund-raise him and that is what will keep them in the game? >> sure. listen, she does well with the donor crowd. donald trump brings it up to do a lot of things that people don't want to see nikki haley in this race, as an argument actually against. her but, she's fighting for her life to stay in this as long as possible, and you know, i might, -- i'm working to build
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a bipartisan pro democracy coalition, so i -- was some of the way she's walked the line on, this but i am grateful that she's the last person standing in the republican party against trump, because it means something already that she's outlasted eight ron desantis, or vivek ramaswamy, or even chris christie, because she's making arguments that honestly, i don't think you can take back, so i don't think that she is ultimately going to get the nomination, and nikki haley, you have any people listening, you know, when it comes to the moment to get -- you have to maybe drop out. and you will endorsed trump, here is what you should say. you say i am going to take him up on his offer, he has made it clear that me and my donors should be far from maga, i will respect his wishes, and i will not give him an endorsement that he doesn't want. bless your heart. >> vivek ramaswamy is busy taking on taylor swift. all right, trump donor money is
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not just paying his legal fees, now we are learning that they are covering for guys like wealth nauta, and dan scavino. does that make jack smith that much harder? there's no way that these guys are going to flip on trump when his donors are paying the bills. >> that is the concern. that was the concern that cassidy hutchinson had when she was testifying for the committee. her lawyer was paid for by the trump team and it was clear to her that the trade-off was that she would have to stay on the team. so she got a lawyer of her own who was not hold to the trump team and the testimony that she get before the committee, which was pretty explosive. but you are absolutely right, well the ability to get the full story out of them commit to that on the stand.
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because obviously, these lawyer bills are not cheap. people end up being bankrupted by these kinds of cases and they feel very vulnerable about. it that is a big factor. >> we knew that waiting for the immunity decision could mean a delay in trump's d.c. election trial. but the fact the march 4th start date is no longer on the calendar, how concerning is that? >> i think it is concerning. but i also think that frankly for all of the folks, democrats and some republicans who did that with donald trump and some republicans who put their name in the hat to be the republican nominee who banked on the legal system, taking care of trump, you see in these most recent polls, where they say but -- less likely for them to vote for him come november.
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i think all of those folks that were banking on the legal strategy increasingly take their eggs out of the legal conviction basket and put it into the electoral basket. it also believe that the justice department officials have to be taking a very hard look at the delay that -- at the beginning of the biden administration and not taking, we are going after donald trump directly investigating the case. it was only after the work of the january 6th committee that we saw the special counsel, the charges, the investigation, and the charges, if you will, into trump. that delay, directly correlates to where we are right now. and the people have already worked in this environment, they are public servants, they are doing the lords work on a number of different issues as it relates to democracy and fighting for the american people on a host of other things. we talk about the practice,
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investigation, uvalde report, but there is a direct correlation between the decisions that justice department officials made early on in the biden administration, to what is happening right now. and we should be buffing up why the justice department, the internal rule they have about not pursuing investigations or doing things that could potentially affect an election. so that ups the ante, frankly, for what the biden campaign is doing, and the strategies that the president has employed. i think that the legal will play out, where the legal and political will be increasingly intertwined. but if nikki haley is waiting for donald trump to be convicted, i just encourage people to go out there and they need to campaign and do their work on the campaign trail. because the position, the criminal convictions may not come. >> delay is donald's defense. simone, peter, amanda, thank you all for starting us off tonight. when we return, the u.s. is preparing a series of attacks
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that could last weeks to respond to the death of american soldiers in jordan. ben rhodes break down what is happening and what to expect, and later, for the first time, the mother of a school shooter is on trial for her son's mass shooting. why this case is so important in the fight against gun violence. the 11th hour just getting underway on a very busy thursday night. thursday night. help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need... ...without the stuff you don't. so, here's to now. boost. only sleep number smart beds let you each choose your individual firmness and comfort. so, here's to now. your sleep number setting. and actively cools and warms up to 13 degrees on either side. save 50% on the sleep number limited edition smart bed. plus 0% interest for 36 months on select smart beds. ends monday. only at sleep number.
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>> this is a dangerous moment in the middle east. we will continue to work to avoid a wider conflict in the region. but we will take all necessary actions to defend the united states, and we've not describe what our response is going to be. but we look to hold the people and they are responsible for this, accountable. >> lloyd austin made it clear that there will be consequences for the deaths of u.s. soldiers and jordan. while he didn't go into detail, multiple targets are being considered. officials say that the campaign could last weeks involving cyber operations. joining me now, ben rhodes, former deputy director for president obama. ben, help us out, secretary austin mentioned taking away even more capability from the enemies in the region. what does that mean? >> look, you have this range of groups, across lebanon, iraq,
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syria, and into iran. there are different militias with different interests. they all have a shared ideology of resistance to the united states presidents in the region. not position to israel, and -- the conflict in gaza. and they all draw support from the iranian revolutionary guard. that is the main for efforts supporting militias across the region. what the u.s. is looking at his efforts, not to strike inside of iran, which could potentially precipitate a real -- which could lead to a war, huge cost of the global economy. the -- in ways that protect u.s. service members that are in the region, and that try to back these groups off of the kind of tit-for-tat that we --
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particularly in iraq and syria. also, the places where they are providing them with weapons, providing them with support, i think that you could see the u.s. targeting that kind of infrastructure. again, it is carefully calibrated, so how do you employ the costs and try to defend the military and service members without getting into that bigger war that i think neither of the u.s. or iran really want. >> there's been over 160 attacks on our troops in the region. should we have responded sooner or more forcefully? >> there has been a conflict in the region for a long time, and the reality is, there's been a war escalating dramatically after october 7th. those attacks come from a variety of different groups, so it is not like you can say that there's one headquarters that are going after it. they draw support from iran, but i frankly do not believe that iran is directing every single one of these attacks
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either. in some cases, these are groups that around provides money, or weapons to. but the groups have their own independent agendas, the groups and iraq want to draw the united states into a conflict in iraq, as a way of turning the iraqi government against the united states. so they actually are being babied into a conflict that makes it harder for the u.s. to do what we need to do. so it is very complicated and the reality is that these attacks are more significant than others. some it is more severe. the basic point is that -- the united states definitely controls the circumstances of a driving de-escalation. and it is like if you are the big kid and you are getting somebody who's trying to draw you into a fight you don't necessarily want to give that person the fight that they want. these groups want to show that they are getting the united states involved and they are trying to bloody our nose. what do we have to do to back them off and protect our forces
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without giving them the bigger war that they want where they can show that there are the vanguard of the u.s. and israel. so i don't think it is as simple as saying we should have gone full-blown for all of these groups from the beginning, that is what some of them want. we have to do what is in our interest senate is not necessarily to get into a bigger war. >> thank you so much, we appreciate you joining us tonight. >> thank you. >> when we come back, she is the mother of a school shooter, and now one of the first parents to be charged in her child's deadly rampage. we talk through this historic case when the 11th hour continues. hour continues. ♪ ♪
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two leading candidates for senate. two very different visions for california. steve garvey, the leading republican, is too conservative for california. he voted for trump twice and supported republicans for years, including far right conservatives. adam schiff, the leading democrat, defended democracy against trump and the insurrectionists. he helped build affordable housing, lower drug costs, and bring good jobs back home. the choice is clear.
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i'm adam schiff, and i approve this message. ♪ ♪ ♪ the story is important. racketeers and michigan are testing a new legal strategy in the fight against gun violence. holding the counts of school shooters accountable. jennifer crumbley, remember her name, is on trial for involuntary manslaughter after her son shot and killed four of his classmates with a gun, she said, her husband purchased for him. a historic case. it could have major implications on gun safety in the country. my colleague maggie vesta has more. >> tonight, jennifer crumbley on the stand testifying in her
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own defense about her relationship with her son, ethan. >> i thought we were pretty close. >> reporter: and pushing back on prosecutors core arguments, leading up to the 2021 shooting at oxford high school. she ignored clear signs her son was struggling. >> do you ever believe that if your son needed the mental health treatment -- ? >> no, i mean, there were a couple of times where ethan had expressed anxiety. not to a level where i felt he needed to go see a psychiatrist or mental professional. >> reporter: she's testified that they downplayed concerns. including, in a meeting with ethan's guidance counselor the morning of the shooting. >> he told us that he didn't feel the sun was a risk. >> reporter: sean hopkins telling the jury monday -- >> i felt it was better for him to be around his peers and people who are his age them to be home alone. >> reporter: prosecutor said both the bisson parents got him the gun used in the shooting. but today, crumbley is saying her husband was responsible for
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it. >> who is responsible for purchasing the gun? >> my husband is. it was more his thing. >> reporter: her testimony, following an emotional morning. several people in the courtroom, crying, at prosecutors played surveillance video of the deadly shooting. >> because the situation permits that the killing hadn't stopped -- you can't stop -- >> reporter: i want to bring in msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. danny, you have been all over this story. talk to us about how important this case is in the bigger picture. >> here's what this case is not. this is not about a strict liability any parent with a gun is automatically responsible for anything the child does. this is a unique case. this is a case where the theory of responsibility is, number, one the parents recklessly disregarded their son's mental health issues. and, then second, they recklessly failed to secure the firearm. and those two combinations, as we, know yielded a deadly result.
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that's the theory of responsibility here. it is not a statement case that all parents are always responsible for everything that happens with the firearm in their home. >> her husband is going to face his own trial, same charges in march. why not travel them together? >> because severances in the defendants best interest. it just so happens that the mother is going first. the father will go second. this will allow them to, as i was certain would happen and was warned out today in mothers testimony, point the figure at each other. that's exactly what mom did today. number one, she said, well, school officials didn't tell me everything. i didn't know everything. no one else told me about some of these other red flags. and, finally when it came to the gun, that was dead's responsibility. that was something dad handled. i wouldn't even take it out of the trunk of the car because i don't like handling it. now whether or not that's credible, in light of the fact that she took her son to the firing range she's a little more comfortable with firearms
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then probably most people. >> well, you're from the state of michigan. michigan is a state that enjoys gun culture. how do you think the jury is going to feel about these charges? considering how many people have guns in their own home. >> i'm so glad you brought that up. i am a michigander. this is a county that is somewhat urban, no major city in a. but i would say, it's got some urban sprawl. but michiganders own firearms. and probably the only one of all of my male friends, and i never owned a gun, never hunted, never hundred finish. everybody took a week off in the fall to go deer hunting. they hunt. people have firearms in the home. they're accustomed to this. the jury knows that. this jury probably knows plenty of people as well who hunt and have firearms in the home. it is a cultural thing. and that has to factor in with the jury. and they're not going to be shocked that a mother took her son to a firing range. of course, assuming a son doesn't have mental health issues.
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>> there's another case i want to ask you about. totally unrelated. but also sort of about liability once removed. today, we learned about the help. they agreed to pay 300 and $50 million over their opioid marketing. this is the first advertising agency to settle claims that are associated to the opioid crisis. how significant is it? >> from a liability standpoint, it may be even more legally significant than the opioid companies themselves. after all the theories against the manufacturers, you are the ones that made this product. but, this theory of liability said, hey, as the advertisers you promoted this product. you created panelists. you targeted doctors who are good sellers, and good prescribe ertz of opiates. and you spent your omni and sales folks out there and pushed and pushed and pushed. and, therefore, you as the advertisers, as the promoters are equally as responsible.
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and that's the theory of liability here. it's very interesting because, admittedly, they are not the manufacturers. they did not create the product. in, fact the people selling the products may not have even known much about the pharma logical affects of the products -- they may not have known -- >> but can they say the same thing about the advertising agency? >> yes, you're exactly. right and it goes to them. because these are settlements we never really find out in a trial, who knew what and when. but, it is a fascinating theory of liability to extend responsibility from the actual people who put the product into the hands of attics. i'll to those who advertise for them, who promoted the product. >> it is fascinating to me how much money was made in opioids that just the advertisement agency could settle for that kind of money. you have to wonder, how much were they making in this awful, awful scheme that has killed and destroyed communities in this country. again, thank you so much. really, very important
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conversation. when we come back, another important one. americans hidden education crisis. you better stay up for this. we're talking about skipping school. not some cue things kids are doing anymore, this has gotten horrible since the pandemic. when the 11th hour continues, we're going to dig in. you better watch. dig in. you better watch. he jennifers. jen x. jen y. and jen z. each planning their future through the chase mobile app. jen x is planning a summer in portugal with some help from j.p. morgan wealth plan. let's go whiskers. jen y is working with a banker to budget for her birthday. you only turn 30 once. and jen z? her credit's golden. hello new apartment. three jens getting ahead with chase. solutions that grow with you. one bank for now. for later. for life. chase. make more of what's yours. i have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. thanks to skyrizi i'm playing with clearer skin. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. and skyrizi is just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. serious allergic reactions
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conversations and debates about our schools like telling test gores and who test the curriculum. but there is a hidden crisis that we need to talk about. propublica and the new yorker co-published a deep dive into -- when kids don't show up for school at all. well, it has nearly doubled since the pandemic. it is tied to other major issues affecting our kids, like deteriorating mental health, social isolation and lower test scores. but the schools themselves are not using much of the pandemic recovering money to fight this problem. and because the issue is not a political one, our leaders aren't giving it much attention. with me tonight, the reporter on the story, alex gillard from propublica. he's written extensively about the pandemic era crisis in our schools and my dear friend and a man i look up to so very much jeffrey -- of harlem children son. the founder of the women julius institute. alex, this is remarkable reporting. tell us about these private
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companies that have now popped up to help school kids that are just not showing up anymore. >> yes, they're such a void in the official response to this terrible crisis. and you're doubling of the chronic absentees and rates in our country. we now have companies that are offering their services to schools, to go door to door looking for these missing students. i focus on a company that's facing baltimore, they're getting work all across the country now and i was following one of their employees in michigan just outside of destroyed. and we are going door-to-door, day of today looking for students who are missing way too many days of school. this problem is now happening all over the country, it's especially bad in our big cities but it's really happening all over. and it's happening the worst in the places that close schools the longest during the pandemic. there's a clear correlation there. >> jeff, you didn't need a crystal ball. but you called this. you and i had this -- you saw this coming, during the pandemic you and i had this
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conversation on television at least five times. and they said these kids, in the poorest neighborhoods, in the poor schools they aren't going to school and they're not coming back. >> i mean, stephanie, i don't think america understands what we're doing to our children. this is a crisis. you know, it if you want and school right now kids are troubled. they're stressed out. you have mental health problems, teachers are hard to find, principles are leaving schools are really struggling but at least those kids are in schools. and when you start talking about 30%, 40% chronic absentees that means those kids are not getting an education they're not the school but this is not a small problem. you made, they're not doing anything above it no one thinks this is a crisis. this is a huge crisis for our country. we are talking millions of kids right now and america who are going to be part of the covid generation. we're gonna look ten years, and why are these kids working why
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we having this unemployment problem why do we have all this crime and we're gonna be like those kids to go to school and we watched that happen. year of the year, and did nothing. and that is on us. >> but we should be doing something? right? it's on the principle of the school. the superintendent of the school. i got so many problems. you just laid them out. who should be dealing with this? >> well here's something that i have been yelling about again for years. the schools can't do this on their own. we can't expect teachers to go knocking on doors to get these kids into the school. but still, lots, and lots of profit out there very own or with the company. these are the folks that are going out into the neighborhood, from the neighborhoods knocking on doors and getting those kids back into school. you mentioned all of the money that we had with the new education. the bills that were passed. we should have been investing
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in making sure these kids are getting back in school. hiring outside folks from the communities, who know the kids, and know their neighborhoods who could go knock on these doors and get these kids back. >> so you think these businesses that are doing it is a good idea? >> i think that the only way we're going to get these done. and i'll tell you why. it is unrealistic to think our public schools can handle one more crisis. they cannot. they are barely doing it with the kids who are coming to school right now. but we can't allow this just to continue. it is not just going to get the kids that we need to really think about how we bring other support in the school. i have been an advocate, after school, weekend, summertime we need support especially in our poor communities. we need support built in every day for those kids to make sure that they don't feel. >> -- what was it about the pandemic that made this problem so much worse? >> it's really quite simple. when you close calls for a year
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or more, they have it, the expectation, the norm of going to school just falls away. for a lot of household the school has now become kind of optional. because for a year, more it least a year and a lot of communities a lot of cities in our country the schools were closed. and you didn't have to go to school every day. you could just wake, up log, on maybe not log on. and away was just much more comfortable and easy that way in a lot of ways. you don't have to get your kit up out of bed, get close, out the, door the, car whatever it is and the snow in the rain. it is just easier and to get back to the basic regiment and rigor of going to school every day has been really hard. and what we're seeing now is what happens when a social norms that is been established over generations, over decades, when that falls away for more than a year that it's really hard to rebuild that. and that's where we're now facing. really that we're building a norm, making it so that the school is no longer seen as optional. because that's what it really became during that year.
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and it's simply a consequence of the decisions that we made out society. and as jeffrey said, it will comment on all the society to deal with this because it was really all the society that made that decision to keep closed schools for so long, for the sake and the help of the community so it's really now kind of incumbent on all of society to address the problem that we've been left with. >> but, jeff, here's the problem is this incumbent on all of society that means no one does it. because no one owns it. so you call this a crisis. politicians aren't talking about it because these are forgotten kids in forgotten communities that aren't presenting a problem right now. how do we sell for it? >> i think we have to begin to raise the level of concern around this issue. and my senses, we've got to confront our educators, our politicians and use these
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numbers. 39%, 40%, 49% of kids chronically absent in this country and that's unconscionable. and we just can't have business- as-usual. i will tell you the future of this country is going to rest on the zoom people. and the fact that we are not stepping up and we are not holding people accountable is something that we're going to have to change. and in alex's report, i hope every single person is looking at that and as stunned as i am. they need number four across all america. i, mean we've never seen anything like it. >> you knew this was going to happen? >> i knew this was coming. i knew it was coming because, you know, what alex is right going to school becomes a habit as you go up. you break that habit. and, suddenly people will think, -- >> it's optional. >> it's optional,? >> and you know what our response was when they didn't show up? back in the day, you had two officers knocking on your door, you had someone telling your
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parents if you don't stand that kid to school i'm calling back home. we don't do anything. we decided to happen. and all those millions of kids are staying home, no pressure on parents, no one's going to make those kids go to school and that is our fault. and we have to change that. and we've got to really make sure that this country understands what's at stake. this is not a minor problem. this is a real crisis in our country right now. and we're going to be paying for this. everybody is talking about worried about china, worried about north korea. we better worry that we are not going to have unemployable group of americans in this country if we don't do something dramatically different, very quickly. >> amen and thank you. and thank you for all of. that my dear friend jeff, alex thank you for your reporting. i agree. everybody needs to read their support and think about. it when we come back a history lesson as we kick off black history month. the man who began it all. one 11th hour continues. e 11th. knows it's easy t
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well, last thing before we go tonight the father of black history. today is the first day of black history month who wants to take a look back at where the -- big. and at the home of carter jay wilson, in washington d.c., nearly 100 years ago. there was a cultural center that published work focused on african american culture and history at a time when other
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publishers would not do it. wilson was the son of former slaves. and go up to become author, historian. and even earned a ph.d. at harvard. his organization created need roe a team at week which later became black history month in 1926. the doctor once said this, i -- fear that is no worthwhile traditions it becomes a negligible factor in thought, -- in the thought of the world. and it stands in danger of being exterminated. president biden posted a quote today from civil rights activists camellia warden where she said, you can never know where you are going unless you know where you have been. so, this month, let's remember where we have been and recognize that our only way forward is by marching together. and please make sure to tune in sunday at nine pm right here on msnbc streaming also on peacock msnbc correspondent for mainly the civil rights attorney and
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